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This response is directed toward the section entitled “There Are Major Theological and Scientific Problems With A Young Earth” on the website: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/ken_ham.htm

Please note my responses are in a Indigo color and Bible verses I post are in black with bold.

1. If there was no prehistoric world, then how did the earth end up void and darkened. The Bible says that God’s Word NEVER returns unto Him void? Isaiah 55:11, “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” God made man upright. God made the angels and Lucifer upright. Sin ruined them. Throughout Genesis 1 we read repeatedly that everything God made was “very good.” So why would God make a void and empty frozen wasteland? Clearly something happened. Jeremiah 4:23-28 tells us that God in His anger made the earth void.

The word “void” in Isaiah 55:11, the “void” used in Genesis (at the beginning of creation), and the “void” used in Jeremiah 4:23-28 are not talking about the same things.

The word “void” in Isaiah 55:11 means something like “useless” or “fruitless”.

The “void” at the beginning of Genesis means that nothing else existed on earth except the “surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters”.

The “void” in Jeremiah 4:23-28 (Jeremiah 4:5-28) is talking about Jerusalem going to be void (empty) because of God’s punishment. Nothing to do with the Genesis account.

Please remember that a single word in the Bible can have multiple meanings (also depends upon the context of the verses as well).

2. The Bible mentions over 200 different animals and yet not one mention is made of any of the hundreds of prehistoric species in museums today. Surely if sabertooths, mammoths, dinosaurs (tyrannosauruses, brontosauruses, stegosaurus, et cetera), pterodactyls and hundreds of other prehistoric and terrifying creatures had lived amongst men, they would have been mentioned in the Bible. Clearly these creatures lived in a time before time.

Just because the Bible may or may not mention certain animals specifically, does not mean that they never lived with humans.

3. The Bible says that Adam named all the animals (Genesis 2:19), but modern scientists have named 1047 different species of dinosaurs as of September 17, 2008. Adam couldn’t name the dinosaurs (a term that didn’t exist until the 19th century) because they were not there, that is, dinosaurs weren’t a part of the remodeling of God’s creation. You can trace the name of every animal and bird back through history, but dinosaurs you cannot.

Animals would have changed over time. I do not mean like a dog turning into a cat. I mean that one type of dog would eventually bring forth several different types of dogs (like we have today; e.g. breeds of dogs, cats, horses, etc.).

Adam named all of the animals (and their types) that were alive at that time. However, as years went on, different types of dogs, cats, horses, bats, etc. breeds came about.

4. Where did Satan come from? Clearly he was already in the Garden of Eden, so he existed before man.

God created Satan. However, we do not know if Satan was really in the Garden of Eden when God first created it, because the Bible, as far as I know, does not tell us (of course, Satan was in the garden later on).

5. When did the angels fall? There is no Biblical record of the angels falling during Old Testament times, so clearly they must have been cast down to earth for their rebellion BEFORE Genesis 1:2.

How can you be sure that Satan and the demons were cast down from Heaven before Genesis 1:2? Just because Satan fell before the Old Testament times, does not mean Satan fell from Heaven before Genesis 1:2. Satan could have made his mistake right after Creation for all we know.

By the way, Satan can still go to and from Heaven (Job 1:6), until Jesus kicks him out of Heaven permanently later on in the future (Revelation 12:7-12).

6. When did God cast angels into Hell? 2nd Peter 2:4 says that God cast some of the angels that sinned down to Hell (Tartarus, only mentioned once in the New Testament, a special place in Hell just for demons). The logical conclusion is that God cast the angels down BEFORE Genesis 1:2.

2 Peter 2:4 does not hint to Satan and his demons’ having fallen before Genesis 1:2. This verse is just saying that God cast some demons in Hell ahead of time.

7. In view of Jeremiah 4:23-28, when did God in His fury destroy the cities of the earth? The Bible tells us, that is, after Genesis 1:1 but before Genesis 1:2.

The Bible does not say that God destroyed the cities of the earth between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

“²⁰ I see the enemy defeating us
time after time,
    leaving everything in ruins.
Even my own home
    is destroyed in a moment.
²¹ How long will I see enemy flags
    and hear their trumpets?

²² I heard the Lord say,
    “My people ignore me.
They are foolish children
who do not understand
    that they will be punished.
All they know is how to sin.”

²³ After this, I looked around.
The earth was barren,
    with no form of life.
The sun, moon, and stars
    had disappeared.
²⁴ The mountains were shaking;
²⁵ no people could be seen,
    and all the birds
    had flown away.
²⁶ Farmland had become a desert,
    and towns were in ruins.
The Lord’s fierce anger
    had done all of this.” – Jeremiah 4:20-28 CEV

Jeremiah 4:20-28 is not talking about God destroying the cities of the earth before Genesis 1:2.

8. In view of Jeremiah 4:23-28, when did God make the earth dark without light to shine? Again, the Bible tells us, that is, after Genesis 1:1 but before Genesis 1:2.

Genesis 1:1 is just saying that God created the heavens and the earth. Nothing else.

9. In view of Jeremiah 4:23-28, when was there NO MAN? Clearly this passage of Scripture refers to a time before mankind existed. Although some scholars would argue that this passage doesn’t specifically say it refers to creation, I think it would be irresponsible to ignore Jeremiah 4:23 and 26, “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. … I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.” There is no other way to conclude this passage, except as concerning the origins of the world. At no time in history has it been dark upon the earth as Jeremiah 4:23-28 says, except between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

If you read these verses in context (Jeremiah 4:1-31  [not just verses 23 and 26 by themselves]), these verses are a part of a revelation that Jeremiah had (from God) about an upcoming punishment. This has nothing to do between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

Please remember to always try to understand the context of verses in the Bible, otherwise you will end up twisting scripture and mislead others.

10. In Genesis chapter 1, why does the Bible make a distinction between the word “create” (meaning absolute creation) and the word “made” (which means “to make” in the broadest sense of the word)? Clearly something different was going on. God absolutely created the universe, then made it void in His anger, then remodeled the universe in Genesis 1-2. This is not progressive creation as some call it. God created life as we know it 6,000 years ago, but the universe is millions (if not billions) of years old. A young earth cannot explain any of these things.

Where in the Bible does it say that God made the earth void, in his anger, between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2?

11. When did dinosaurs live? There’s no Biblical evidence to show that dinosaurs co-existed with man. The word “behemoth” in Job 40:15 (which some ignorantly allege to be a dinosaur) in the Hebrew means a hippopotamus. Some young-earthers claim that legends of fire-breathing dragons is proof of dinosaurs, but historians have never verified nor even spoken of such creatures (which are as real as Greek mythology).

Just because the Bible may not specifically name an animal, does not mean that the animal did not live around or even with humans. When something is not specifically mentioned in the Bible does not mean that it did or did not happen.

Also please remember that God created every kind of animal during the 6-days of creation (dinosaurs would be one of those animals). So humans did co-habitate with dinosaurs.

“All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, and sea creatures can be tamed and have been tamed.” – James 3:7 CEV

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2005/11/14/dinosaur-human-cohabitation

 

12. A young earth rejects legitimate scientific evidence. There is plenty of fossil and carbon dating evidence to show that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. The skeletal remains themselves of thousands of dinosaurs are clear evidence that dinosaurs lived long, long ago before mankind was created. Numerous scientific methods are used to determine the age of bones and soil. A young earth laughs in the face of legitimate science. Granted, evolution is based upon bad science and fraudulent claims, which is quite the contrary to proven methods of testing the age of materials. Although scientists may not be able to determine whether the earth is hundreds-of-millions verses billions of years old, they certainly can very easily prove that the earth is much older than 6,000 years.

The idea of millions of years came from the idea of evolution. Dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago. They were created along with the rest of the animals as told in Genesis.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible

13. In Isaiah 14:12-14 Lucifer said he wanted to rise above the clouds to be equal with God. When was Lucifer below the clouds? I believe this logically explains why God destroyed the earth, that is, to punish Lucifer.

 “¹² You, the bright morning star,
    have fallen from the sky!
You brought down other nations;
    now you are brought down.
¹³ You said to yourself,
    “I’ll climb to heaven
and place my throne
    above the highest stars.
I’ll sit there with the gods
    far away in the north.
¹⁴ I’ll be above the clouds,
    just like God Most High.” – Isaiah 14:12-14 CEV

How does this verse suggest that there was an earth before this one that was destroyed? If Satan and the demons rebelled sometime after God created the earth, the part of the verse that says “ I’ll be above the clouds, just like God Most High.” would probably be referring to the clouds that Jesus made during Creation, not ones from a previous earth. Also, what’s to say that the “clouds” part of the verse is are not talking about clouds in Heaven?

14. Psalms 102:25 says “Of old” God laid the foundation of the earth. David penned this around 1,000 BC.

“Of old” is referring to several thousands of years before, not millions of years.

15. Is radioactive carbon dating that wrong? I read an article today which tried to prove an young earth, saying that newly formed lava rocks tested to be millions of years old. Of course they did, the old rock turned to liquid and back to rock. It is millions of years old. Melting ice to water doesn’t change it’s chemical composition.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible

16. Where did sin originate? Clearly sin did not originate in the Garden of Eden.

My take on this is that sin originated when Satan became proud. Then sin escalated when Satan and the demons rebelled. Of course, sin spread through humanity and creation when Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. Of course the Bible does not say this, but this is my best guess for an explanation.

17. God gave man dominion over the earth. A young earth would mean that all the dinosaurs and gigantic and ferocious mammals (like sabertooth tigers and huge mammoths) lived amongst men. People would have been dinner. It is quite obvious that these beautiful but frightening creatures did not live with mankind. Clearly they are prehistoric creatures. The pterodactyls (gigantic reptile birds) would have been a major threat to humans, and certainly the Bible would have mentioned these creatures if they existed in the Old Testament.

When God first created everything, there was no sin in the world. The dinosaurs would have eaten plants. Animals would not have eaten each other (or humans). When sin came into the world, animals changed (e.g., started eating each other).

Please remember that God created every kind of animal during the 6-days of creation (dinosaurs would be one of those animals). So humans did co-habitate with dinosaurs.

18. In Genesis 6:19 God told Noah, “And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.” The Bible doesn’t exclude dinosaurs as some foolish scholars claim. If you believe in a young earth, and that dinosaurs lived amongst men, then you can only foolishly conclude that Noah left them behind as excess baggage. Clearly dinosaurs didn’t exist during Noah’s time. Noah couldn’t have fit dinosaurs on the ark if he had tried. God didn’t tell Noah to leave behind certain living flesh; but rather, commanded Noah to bring two of every sort of all flesh into the ark. This is further evidence of an old earth.

The Bible says:

“Bring into the boat with you a male and a female of every kind of animal and bird, as well as a male and a female of every reptile. I don’t want them to be destroyed.” – Genesis 6:19-20 CEV

The Bible says “Bring into the boat with you a male and a female of every kind of animal and bird, as well as a male and a female of every reptile.” Clearly there were dinosaurs on the ark. How can dinosaurs be excluded from “…every kind of animal…”?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2000/04/03/dinosaurs-on-noahs-ark

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/thinking-outside-the-box

19. 132 times throughout the Old Testament we find mention of the lion. In many cases the lion is mentioned as a symbol of strength and ferocity. Job 4:10, “The roaring of the lion, and the voice of the fierce lion, and the teeth of the young lions, are broken.” Proverbs 19:12, “The king’s wrath is as the roaring of a lion.” The Bible even says in plain language that the lion is the strongest among beasts. Proverbs 30:30, “A lion which is strongest among beasts, and turneth not away for any.” Surely if tyrannosauruses had dwelt amongst men, then they would have been the strongest among beasts and mentioned instead of lions. No lion would be a match for a Velociraptor, one of the most aggressive and predatory of the dinosaurs. T-rex were meat eaters, but likely scavengers; not hunters like the Velociraptor.

It makes sense that the land dinosaurs died off sometime after the flood. My take on it is that when Proverbs 30:30 was written, land dinosaurs were already extinct.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs

These are 19 proofs I have thought up off the top of my head why a young earth is not possible. I’m sure there are hundreds more. The Bible, common sense, science, archaeology, paleontology and history all testify of an old earth.

All the 19 points above are not proof that the earth is young or old. The Bible verses you mentioned either did not have anything to do with Genesis or were taken out of context.

This is not respectful to God or the Holy Scriptures. You are combining the secular philosophy of millions of years with the six-day creation week mentioned in the Holy Scriptures!

The real question is:  Do you take God at His Word (Creation account found in the Holy Scriptures), or do you combine man’s fallible, ever-changing ideas (opinions) of what happened in the unobservable, unrepeatable past with what God said in the Holy Scriptures?

Science has not proved the earth to be millions of years old. That comes from the false, satanic idea of evolution.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/millions-of-years-mortenson/millions-of-years

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2006/06/08/millions-of-years-is-the-issue/

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/au/disease-millions-of-years

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/why-christians-shouldnt-accept-millions

Findings from archaeology, paleontology and history do not find the earth to be millions of years old.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2006/07/17/seven-reasons-not-millions